Episode 105: Goodview Woodworks, Nathan Porter

GoodView Woodworks LLC is a small hometown woodworking business where they love to serve their community. Whether it be providing products or teaching classes, their ultimate goal is to spread their knowledge and love for woodworking.

About Nathan and Goodview Woodworks:

GoodView Woodworks LLC is a small hometown woodworking business where they love to serve their community. Whether it be providing products or teaching classes, their ultimate goal is to spread their knowledge and love for woodworking. Go check out @goodviewwoodworks on Facebook and Instagram, and Youtube. www.goodviewwoodworks.com

Transcription

Kenny: Alright so we’ve gone through all that stuff and now I can say, hey thanks for joining us today. I have the privilege of having my nephew on the show, and he'll actually talk to me, which is really crazy. So this is my nephew, Nathan Porter. Nathan, thank you for joining us on the podcast today.

Nathan: Yeah. Thank you for having me.

Kenny: KP's BlackBox. I'm hoping that I'll actually learn something from you today, because you're like already this master YouTuber, Master woodworker of GoodView Woodworks.

Nathan: GoodView Woodworks. Yeah.

Kenny: So let me give you a little uh, ladies and gentlemen let's bring in. [crickets noise] Oh whoops, sorry Nathan. I hit the wrong button. Let's see what? Here we go. More appropriate. Let’s [applause]. Thank you.

Nathan: There you go, thanks.

Kenny: I had to work the audience up into

Nathan: Oh, okay

Kenny: applauding you.

Nathan: Well they didn't know who I was yet.

Kenny: Yeah, you know, that's but still to come and I'm hearing some—are you hearing some feedback in our our ears here?

Nathan: No.

Kenny: Did you hear that? That was really weird.

Nathan: I—I don’t.

Kenny: So that's Zach. So our sound guy, back over there, is mischievous and you know he might do some things in the middle of the show that could be a little, a little crazy.

Nathan: Sure I'm good with it. I'm good with it.

Kenny: So the first thing we do—this is, you know, we're new to this kind of video podcasting thing. I know you're not a, uh, partaker of spirits typically and you know I'm gonna have to repent for this, but asking you to, hey.

Nathan: Sure.

Kenny: Cheers to ya, to all, and congratulations on a new baby.

Nathan: Yes.

Kenny: Which happened after adopting.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: A little girl. Which is

Nathan: Exactly

Kenny: So cool. Congrats to you and Erin on that.

Nathan: Thank you.

Kenny: That is really, really, super awesome.

Nathan: It is. Yeah. It's a big deal.

Kenny: Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's what she said.

Nathan: Yeah. Right.

Kenny: Man, thanks for giving me an opportunity to say that.

Nathan: You should—probably have some more on

Kenny: Yeah

Nathan: during this thing.

Kenny: You only had to take a sip man. You guzzled that.

Nathan: That was—

Kenny: You might want to get him some more. Noah fill his glass, no I'm kidding.

Nathan: That barely went in my mouth. It wasn't very much.

Kenny: Oh, do you need a lighter now and you can set some flames?

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: All right. So thanks for joining us for real. I mean I'm honored, really no BS, to have you on the show.

Nathan: Thank you.

Kenny: Um, you know I’ve, I've known you pretty much all your life pretty close.

Nathan: Close. Yeah.

Kenny: Yeah, close enough. But you got involved in woodworking

Nathan: Yes

Kenny: and that's not your full-time job yet. So

Nathan: No. Not yet.

Kenny: One of the reasons I wanted to interview you is because, man, I want to champion entrepreneurs. You know I’ve—I've been one all my life. Pretty much the whole time you've known me other than

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: that little marine corps stint. Semper Fi. Um but I—I just really want to make sure that folks understand that as an entrepreneur you—you are really putting it out there and it’s, it's not for the faint of heart and nor is it for those who have a tendency to be a little lazy. Because you also work a full-time job.

Nathan: Yes.

Kenny: While you're working on good view.

Nathan: Yep.

Kenny: So tell me a little bit about how you got into woodworking and where that came from.

Nathan: Okay, sure. So my best friend, Cliff, his dad actually did most of the smaller woodworking projects for Busch Gardens, Williamsburg. And when I was—

Kenny: Nice. Yeah? That's awesome.

Nathan: —Yeah—when I was in high school and stuff and Cliff his dad would be working on stuff in the shop. I would just go out there and say, “hey man teach me what you know.”

Kenny: I know Cliff now. His dad made some stuff for us in my previous company. My brother, your dad, would call him Jiggs.

Nathan: Oh. Yeah.

Kenny: Yeah you know.

Nathan: Yeah that was, that was him. He would help me make those. Yeah.

Kenny: Man that dude is so talented.

Nathan: Super talented. He's like borderline genius when it comes to that kind of stuff.

Kenny: I don't think he'll appreciate being called ‘borderline genius’, I mean.

Nathan: Well, I don't know what a real genius is but, you know.

Kenny: I don’t either.

Nathan: If I could, I could guess he—when it came to mechanically, he’s very mechanically inclined so.

Kenny: Yeah, so I've been referred to as an Idiot savant, so, you know.

Nathan: I don't know what that second word was but—

Kenny: I don't either but it sounded good. So, anyways, I digress. So you were working and learning from this guy in terms of what he was doing with Busch Gardens and in his shop.

Nathan: Yep

Kenny: So how did that turn into where you are today with GoodView?

Nathan: Okay that's a good question. So, I just—I’m always, you know, just looking online finding little projects. I always like to be working on projects and things like that. I—I saw some guy turning some stuff. You know what turning means?

Kenny: Nope.

Nathan: Like you put on a lathe. It's a machine that spins and you kind of have a tool that carves it into different shapes.

Kenny: Okay.

Nathan: I was just really interested and so I called Fred up one day. I said, “hey man you got a lathe?” He said, “yeah but the motors broke on it.” And I—you know I have an automotive background. I said, “I'll rebuild it for you, if you teach me how to use it.” And so I put a new motor on there, got it all working.

Kenny: That's right. Because you went to nascar school, right?

Nathan: I did. Nascar Technical Institute.

Kenny: And you had a Volkswagen once, that you—you’re just—you’re cool dude man. You’ve built cars.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Race cars.

Nathan: mm-hmm.

Kenny: You still have that Volkswagen, that you?-

Nathan: No I sold that. You remember, me—you and I traded. I took your Range Rover one day and you took the beetle. Do you remember that?

Kenny: Was I high?

Nathan: No. I don’t remember why you did that, but it was right after—

Kenny: That was a weird time back then.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: I drove your beetle which was a bad ass car. Er. You’re gonna have to—I’m not supposed to curse, right? So sorry.

Nathan: You know only on—I only do that on my youtube channel. This is your channel you can do what you want .

Kenny: All right.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Yeah. You were schooling me today that I will have to go back and Ian's gonna have to put some bleeps in there, because I got this marine potty mouth every once in a while so.

Nathan: That's okay.

Kenny: He'll bleep it out. So, I had my range rover, you had your your beetle, then we switched?

Nathan: Yeah it was a little turbo beetle and I don't remember why.

Kenny: What I was thinking?

Nathan: I don't know. I think you wanted to see what it was like. So it’s not like we traded for a day or anything. I had—I drove it to work or drove it from work to your house or something and you drove my beetle and

Kenny: That’s crazy

Nathan: you said I don't like when you press a gas and it wants to steer into the other lane.

Kenny: Oh! I do remember that now. That thing had so much power.

Nathan: Yeah, yeah.

Kenny: Oh my god, so what did you do with it?

Nathan: I sold it. It’s—it’s gone. I just..

Kenny: Yeah, but the guy who bought it, is he like racing it or something?

Nathan: He was a little—he was a kid. He was probably like 18 19 years old.

Kenny: So, so Zach’s…all right. So yeah, that little blip in the screen was Zach screwing up our podcast. So, thanks a lot Zach.

Nathan: Hey man, com’on.

Kenny: And you do it by yourself right?

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: I got this team and man.

Nathan: Yeah but this is much more legit. Mine’s—

Kenny: This is legit?

Nathan: Yeah I just—I had to make my own office and then once I did that, well, I could then—

Kenny: I have a face for radio, so, and we got brave to actually you know video this stuff. All right so Zach got me of course. We were talking about the…

Nathan: The cars.

Kenny: The cars. But I've got a client, in my financial firm, who's a FedEx pilot but he's also a race car driver.

Nathan: Ah, that’s cool.

Kenny: And he does up in Richmond around there. So I'll talk to you off camera about that really.

Nathan: Sure.

Kenny: I was telling him about you one day and your, your beetle you had and used to do these like quarter mile races.

Nathan: Yeah. Drag race.

Kenny: What were they called? There was a name for them.

Nathan: Just drag racing.

Kenny: That was something different. You—you called it a sprint maybe or something like that?

Nathan: Oh no. I think it's just drag racing.

Kenny: Oh no? I’m just making crap up, huh? Yeah, okay. There you go.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: So we'll keep moving on with this then. So you've got a obviously a talent, a mechanical talent, a mechanical mind. How do you think that played into your, your entrepreneur desire? And so you took something that, you’re really good with your hands, you have a mechanical mind

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: and how did that kind of blend into the woodworking world?

Nathan: Well so at first, it was just, I was interested in it. Okay? And then my wife suggested that I should post these, make videos, and post them up on YouTube. And I made one or two at first and then, you know, her and I talked and we were just kind of—kind of saying, you know, do I want to like actually make this into something serious?

Kenny: So YouTube page while you're talking, I'll pull this up. GoodView Woodworks. Dude, you've got 23 000 subscribers.

Nathan: Yeah, it, it uh…

Kenny: I think we have four. Which I think I'm paying those people to actually subscribe so.

Nathan: No. Don't do that. It's a big no no.

Kenny: No? Oh. Did I just? Up—I was just kidding. I was trying to make a joke.

Nathan: Yeah, but seriously, if anybody's wanting to do that for youtube, don't do that.

Kenny: Don’t do. Don’t do that? That’s a no-no?

Nathan: That's a no-no.

Kenny: All right, so, all right.

Nathan: Don't pay for subscribers. Pay for ads. Ads work.

Kenny: Google, YouTube, I was just kidding. All right, so, but that's awesome. So

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: Erin was telling you, “hey..”

Nathan: Yeah why not? Yeah. Why not throw—throw up some videos? Your dad, you know, was successful at that, at the time, he was.

Kenny: And he's got the puppet thing, right?

Nathan: Yeah. Yeah, totally different niche. Niche. Yeah, um.

Kenny: And it's hard to get little kids to watch woodworking.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: But if you put a sock on your hand,

Nathan: Yeah, you know what?

Kenny: They go bat shit crazy as the term would go.

Nathan: I don't know, I don't think that would be that’s kosher anyways.

Kenny: Right.

Nathan: A lot of sharp tools and things.

Kenny: Right, “Hey kids watch my finger.” [rrreee noise]

Nathan: So, yeah, my wife said, “throw those up there.” Well then, you know, I started to think about it seriously, about making my own brand and things like that, and how can I, how can we, supplement our income? And—and so we just had this big discussion and we started to take it serious. So the first two videos I posted, they were like two or three months apart from each other. So I think I posted my first video December 2017.

Kenny: Dude, I'm looking at this video of you here. Did someone like surprise attack you and as you snapped that picture?

Nathan: No, I'm on my shop talk Tuesday. So no, that's just an automatically generated thumbnail that youtube gives you when you don’t post your own.

Kenny: Okay.

Nathan: And that’s actually you know speaking of—

Kenny: You’re just so legit, you'll just throw up whatever now, you don't even.

Nathan: It's because I have no time.

Kenny: I would be called ‘a try hard’ like, I'm like “man I get—I just gotta do whatever I can to put up some pictures and make it look cool because,” and you're just like screw it.

Nathan: No. No.

Kenny: No?

Nathan: This is a big—this is a big deal. You want to have good thumbnails or you're not going to get the views and you only get paid by views, so, that’s something I'm working on.

Kenny: Well you put this up two days ago?

Nathan: Yes.

Kenny: And you have 333 views?

Nathan: Yeah. That’s terrible.

Kenny: I’d say work with your ugly face, man it’s working.

Nathan: No.

Kenny: That’s terrible?

Nathan: If I have a video that's going to be good, I'll get about 1400 views in 12 hours.

Kenny: What?

Nathan: Yeah so that's how I know if it's going to

Kenny: Yeah. I am so out of this game guys. I need to be schooled here. So, we were going to talk Woodworks but let's talk youtube videos.

Nathan: Sure.

Kenny: I know nothing.

Nathan: Okay, so just briefly, we got to working on YouTube and I just made a commitment, I was going to post every week.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: Every single day—every single week, for a year. And what was crazy is in, it took me from January 2018 to August or September, to get my first 100 subscribers. Okay so eight—eight months. Eight or nine months, but, before that year ended, I hit my thousand subscriber mark. So it took me eight months and then just another three months to go from a hundred to a thousand.

Kenny: So back me up. What was the goal?

Nathan: The goal, so my wife and I—we had already started the adoption process and so I want—

Kenny: “Baby we need some money.”

Nathan: Well yeah, because I don't want to pay for a babysitter. She's a nanny anyway, you know, I just I didn't want to go there.

Kenny: I am familiar with that. Yeah.

Nathan: So

Kenny: Awesome nanny.

Nathan: Right. Yeah, she is an awesome nanny.

Kenny: Years ago, she fired us.

Nathan: I-I wanted her to stay home with the baby and so I had to find a way to make supplemental income so that she could stay home. Because I didn’t make enough for to have one income.

Kenny: Let’s talk to your boss. Wha—what’s his name? No, just kidding.

Nathan: His name… No, no. No, great boss. Actually one of the best guys I've ever worked—worked for right now. So

Kenny: That’s awesome

Nathan: Um, so yeah, so that’s—that's what it's turning into. And right now I make enough from YouTube to pay our mortgage and our car payment.

Kenny: Dude, that's awesome.

Nathan: So those are two big—

Kenny: Cheers to you. Let’s, uh [air horn noise] Yeah.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: So, um, so I've been posting—

Kenny: Because, this is my youtube page right now. [cricket noise]

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Crickets.

Nathan: That's all right. It will get there. You know, consistency is key.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: You know, I talked to folks in the financial business and, you know, that being my profession. Pretty good at that. But I talked to them about when you're setting goals and so I want to continue this conversation with you. I talk about this very simple strategy of when you’re setting goals; they need to be smart, specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, time sensitive.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: And so, I was listening to some things you were saying and you were talking about kind of how that you'd laid this out over the course of a year and you were just grinding, right?

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Grinding.

Nathan: Seriously.

Kenny: But how you make a smart goal smarter is by executing and repeating.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: See what I did there?

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Pretty good, right?

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: So I can't take credit for that. I learned that from Jack Canfield. So, Success Principles right there on the table, you should read it. If you haven't read that book, great book to read. Jack Canfield wrote chicken soup for the soul.

Nathan: Okay. Yeah, yeah yeah. I do know those.

Kenny: Success Principles. Guy is awesome. I've been in some training with him. It’s—it’s fabulous. Highly recommend it. You'll see that link on the webpage, if you want to pick up the book. So, you started grinding at these videos but what you were doing in front of the camera was your craft, right?

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: You’re using your hands. Building things. What was the first thing you you built?

Nathan: Uh, Oh.

Kenny: Erin’s table, was that it?

Nathan: No first thing I built was a ring box for Erin. She was gone away on a trip and I just wanted to make something.

Kenny: Dude you’re such a romantic. Wow.

Nathan: So that was the first video. It didn't do super well, just because of—

Kenny: She didn’t like it?

Nathan: No she—no she loved the box. She still has it. So—

Kenny: It’s kindling now.

Nathan: No, um—

Kenny: Keeps the babies warm on the fire.

Nathan: That's right. Yeah, no. No. She loves it still, it's still right there on her—on top of her dresser. So, the video itself didn't do well.

Kenny: The video. Okay, not the ring box.

Nathan: The ring box did exactly what it's supposed to do.

Kenny: Home run.

Nathan: It held rings.

Kenny: You do have a baby now.

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: It worked.

Nathan: Yeah, so that was the first video. Didn't do very well, didn't do very well on the thumbnail.

Kenny: My ears were burning inside the headset.

Nathan: Okay. The thumbnail was okay, but you know as you as—obviously as I made more and more videos, I think I have like 150 videos or something like that at this point.

Kenny: So that took you eight months to get to how many views?

Nathan: 100 subscribers.

Kenny: 100 subscribers.

Nathan: Yes.

Kenny: Wow. So you—you’ve got to have the resolve, the intestinal fortitude, if you're going to do this stick it out.

Nathan: Yeah, some people can pop it off in—like I had—there’s a, I heard a story of a guy the other day, he hit a million subscribers in 28 days. But that rarely ever happens and I don’t even know how.

Kenny: What does he do?

Nathan: I have no idea. I don't even know how he did that but um,

Kenny: It’s an urban myth? Zach find that out. Million views. We’re going to fact check you.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Yeah, sorry I don't mention—

Nathan: No I heard that from Derral Eves.

Kenny: Okay, we will blame Darrel. Your fault Darrel. So you made Erin this ring box. You—you posted this video and then you had to go back in the shop. So what were you—what were you doing then?

Nathan: Well, you mean the projects following that? Um, so, see that was the thing. That—this is my this is my biggest problem as an entrepreneur, okay?

Kenny: Okay, let’s hear it.

Nathan: Is I'm a terrible planner.

Kenny: Okay.

Nathan: Terrible.

Kenny: All right, I know a guy that can help you.

Nathan: Who's that? And it's not—it’s because I have it all in my head and I don't write it down.

Kenny: Yeah, ahh.

Nathan: I'm kind of scatterbrained. And so we actually as a matter of fact, a couple of months ago, Erin's like “you need to get this straight.” So, I went and got a whiteboard and drilled it right into the wall in our dining room. So that, I can plan things and have video processes.

Kenny: So folks, Erin was a school teacher.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Give you a little history on that. Erin was a great schoolteacher, P.E. teacher, for our kids. We loved her so much, we actually hired her as a nanny for a few—almost a year, year and a half, something like that. But she's awesome. And as God would have it, some would maybe call that fate, but as a divine appointment.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: You—you met your bride through a nanny ship like an internship with the with the Porters, right?

Nathan: That's right. She had her little—

Kenny: She's like, “oh my god, if I can put up with Kenny Porter then Nathan would be a breeze.”

Nathan: Hey man, you know, I used to go grab random papers. Because I knew she filed stuff for you on Fridays at pro pack and I would just go take ‘em to her. I said, “hey I think you need these.” Just so I could talk to her. So I could talk to her.

Kenny: That’s awesome.

Nathan: But you know she’s—

Kenny: I was like oblivious to that.

Nathan: —She’s like five and a half years older than me. So at the time, she was like I ain't got time for this little kid.

Kenny: Yeah, cradle robber right? She was like I don’t really want to be a..

Nathan: I think, I think I was 21, she was 27 at the time.

Kenny: Nice.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: She probably didn't want you like broadcasting her—she’s still 27 though, right?

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: And you’re?

Nathan: No she—Come on man, everybody, everybody knows at this point.

Kenny: All right. All right. So you, you started working with epoxy.

Nathan: Yes, so—

Kenny: That’s really cool. I'm a big fan. Did it to my garage floor. You’re going to come over and see that this weekend?

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Don’t—Please. Be easy on me, because I didn’t—I..

Nathan: There's a big learning…

Kenny: I'm really good with finances. I'm really good with things that are dealing with personal financial economics. I'm not very good with podcasts. People know that already, I'm working on it. And I'm not good, nor it's Ian, our producer back there, with epoxy so. Ian: Whoah, Man! Hey, easy there.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: When you see this, be easy. It was our third attempt because I had to grind the floor up and then do a little grinding again and it was not—

Nathan: Oh man

Kenny: It was not a good scene. Some tough lessons but I didn't give up.

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: Kept pressing forward. So, yeah, come over this weekend I want to show you that.

Nathan: Sure.

Kenny: So let me bring you back to thinking about this from from a goal setting point of view, and than—thanks for being transparent that you, you didn't have your act together. You were a little discombobulated.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: You like that word?

Nathan: Yes I do.

Kenny: It’s awesome. And so, you didn't have your, your thoughts together. What changed there, as you were working through this process? What—You put this sign up on the wall.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: With this whiteboard.

Nathan: It makes it much easier when I can see what I need to do, instead of, trying to remember what I have to do all the time. Because, I mean, if you guys ever made a YouTube video, it's not as simple as just recording and slapping it up on internet. I mean, you know.

Kenny: You see this finished product and you think “oh that that must be easy. I'll do that. I’ll—I'll set up a a youtube channel.”

Nathan: Right and then, and then you have, and then as well, I have to make a complete woodworking project in the whole midst of that.

Kenny: Wow. You just can't come into the office like this and go “hey, let's just chat it up and talk about your business.”

Nathan: Yeah. I have to set it up, make sure camera angles are good and you know what's really good. So this is probably one, this is such a small financial decision, but it's probably it's the best one. I did my first 100 videos with a iPhone SE. And the reason why,

Kenny: So Ian knows what that means.

Nathan: It's a—You know iPhone five is?

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: Imagine a five with all the six guts in it and that's what it is. And the reason why I chose that is because nobody liked it, but, it recorded in 4k. And so, I paid $98 for it, brand new, and I was able to monetize my channel with 98 bucks.

Kenny: 98 dollar investment

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: and a phone. And you don't have to tell your numbers today, but you've had a great return on that.

Nathan: Yeah, yeah, like I said, I pay my mortgage and my-my car every month.

Kenny: Wow, and your mortgage now, you have like a 25,000 square foot house or something.

Nathan: No. 1800.

Kenny: 18—

Nathan: But I have two acres of property.

Kenny: Two acres? Dude that is so cool.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Man, I'm really proud of you. I realize—

Nathan: Thanks man

Kenny: that is—that is awesome.

Nathan: I appreciate that.

Kenny: I’m proud and I'm also envious and jealous. I'm like okay. I’m, I'm gunning for you. I'm gonna try to compete with you

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: and out perform your channel. So,

Nathan: I mean come on

Kenny: buck up.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Here I come.

Nathan: I'm ready.

Kenny: My—me and my four subscribers. So, don’t laugh now.

Nathan: I was there.

Kenny: Right.

Nathan: I know what it's like.

Kenny: Who was your first—who was your first three?

Nathan: Oh probably..

Kenny: Your dad?

Nathan: Obviously my wife and Paul and—

Kenny: I remember Paul. Who's my brother.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Your dad.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Uhm, I remember him—Well, we’ll, we'll come back to the adoption process because

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: you were adopted.

Nathan: I was, yeah.

Kenny: It was, my-my brother and then your father, who you—your biological father, who you have a relationship with. Who has a successful youtube channel. So you know the deal, I hate to be cliche-ish, but, sometimes it takes a tribe, right? It takes a lot of different people, with a lot of different skill set.

Nathan: For sure.

Kenny: And you try to pick from the best and learn from other people's mistakes.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Right? So you're going through this process, you're working with kind of a-a discombobulated system here. You don't have a game plan really is what I'm hearing from you. Am I right?

Nathan: Yeah that's how it was. Yeah. For a long time

Kenny: Where was the the flip of that switch?—Where you went, okay I have a process, now I have a system. Explain that to me.

Nathan: Yeah, so. It really hit when Esther, our our little baby girl, came home. When we picked her up from the hospital and all that happened.

Kenny: Dude don't make me get all misty eyed over here.

Nathan: No, no, it—it added this huge, you know just changed my life in a really big way. But—but well now I have to be a dad and this, this kind of stuff too. And you know you can't be a dad and not be home.

Kenny: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan: And it's been, you know. And so now I have this really big thing that is coming in front of all the videos and the projects and all that. So, if I didn't have all my time set out—I was—so I was missing some my, the times I was supposed to upload and things like that. And it would be like instead of posting every week, it'd be every week and a half and you could see my following just falling down. And then my full-time job there was, this actually happened about six months ago, I had to start working overtime. And I was putting in 15-16 hour days at my full-time job

Kenny: Geez

Nathan: and I didn't post for two months. And I went from uh the way I was growing, I was real, I was growing really fast.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: Okay, on YouTube. And my income dropped 75 percent in two months.

Kenny: You’re kidding me, from your YouTube?

Nathan: From my youtube. Yeah.

Kenny: And so..

Nathan: And so now—

Kenny: That’s a little scary if you're using that as a offset to help pay for mortgage.

Nathan: Right. Exactly.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: Exactly, so when that happened.

Kenny: Did Erin walk in and hand you the camera and say, “here dude get to work”?

Nathan: No, no. Actually she, um, she’s—Erin's awesome first of all. She's

Kenny: So supportive

Nathan: Yeah super supportive. She was just saying, you know, “it's gonna be a little tight. I know you're working really hard, just try your best.” She said, “but here are the areas where I think that you need to change” and you know it's never easy to hear from anyone close to you that you need to change something about yourself. But it was something that's negative that I did need to change and being just scatterbrained and not organized. I'm still not organized but I'm getting there, but to plan my stuff out.

Kenny: You know what's amazing? I tell my team this all the time. This thing I have next to me here on the table it's an amazing tool or tools.

Nathan: Yeah. Right.

Kenny: A yellow pad and an ink pen and I'm still archaic. There's something cathartic. There's something like how the brain works, and I know there's some science behind this, and I'm sure we’ll have Zach fact check me. But when you write it, there's like this energy that transfers from what goes from your brain onto the paper, and it like cements, it like memorializes those things that you have to do.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: And I'm a box checker.

Nathan: Oh really?

Kenny: Yeah. So you can ask Noah. Like I—you have these little pads laying around in my office and I'll have these little boxes and I'll have a simple to do that they may not be able to read or understand. And they're laughing like nope your handwriting is like a chicken.

Nathan: Mine too.

Kenny: So um I—I write down these, these top six. And I typically try to have tops six every day.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: And I went back to this whole creation thought, God had six things, six days.

Nathan: Thats right. Six days

Kenny: He did it and he took a little rest.

Nathan: Yep.

Kenny: So there’s something awesome about going, “okay I've got this task, I'm going to check it off” and when I do it, I feel fulfilled, I feel accomplished

Nathan: Right

Kenny: and then I can add to that. But what's important in that is, what I think you're finding out now, is that as you prioritize things from your family to your full-time job,

Nathan: mm-hmm

Kenny: to your good works or GoodViews

Nathan: Yeah GoodView Woodworks

Kenny: good wood

Nathan: That's right. Either one.

Kenny: I’m gonna screw it all up and it’s right in front of me.

Nathan: It’s a tongue twister.

Kenny: GoodView Woodworks

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: dot com

Nathan: That's right. Dot com, go check it out.

Kenny: Yeah you know what, when you screw up words, you might as well throw a little love out there.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: There’s your website.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Um, we're going to woodcraft.

Nathan: Yes.

Kenny: Sign up for those classes.

Nathan: Yep, I teach classes at woodcraft, as a matter of fact, next weekend

Kenny: No kidding

Nathan: I have a class there in Richmond. It's a two-day course and you get to learn straight from Nathan Porter GoodView Woodworks.

Kenny: From the master. Oh there's somebody jumping on your program putting an ad in there. Good luck dude. We don’t — we want to really see Nathan, there he is.

Nathan: Yeah but I like those. That's what pays my mortgage, remember?

Kenny: Yeah. That's awesome. So hey, go check out Nathan on GoodViewWoodworks.com. Man you're a fast worker. What are you—what are you complaining about? Look how fast you move.

Nathan: Yeah, yeah. Get to work real fast. And Erin actually—that’s a real sign. She—she hand painted that.

Kenny: Let’s go back and look at that.

Nathan: Yeah, my logo.

Kenny: Wow.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: That’s really cool man. And I don't know if I've told you this or not, I'm really proud of you.

Nathan: Yeah man. Thank you, I appreciate that.

Kenny: That’s really cool that you've done that and now you've got like your church here. Your wood church.

Nathan: That’s right. Yeah.

Kenny: Uhm

Nathan: So this is a pretty cool story.

Kenny: okay

Nathan: This is actually a demo. This is free. It was my first time doing a demo and this is the first time they had—that woodcraft had this many people and for a demo. There's like 35 people there.

Kenny: Dude, you know what this reminds me of? This is like Jesus in the temple at 12 years old, because, you look like a freaking 12 year old up there.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: And you've got these Pharisees and Sadducees that you're teaching and you're just discipling about wood. I'm getting all spiritual.

Nathan: Oh yeah.

Kenny: But that's really cool. Like I look at this and these—these men, middle aged and a little—little older, are learning from this young buck.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: That’s really cool.

Nathan: Most of the people in my classes are older than me, so.

Kenny: But these guys are probably like really good, right?

Nathan: Yeah, some of them.

Kenny: And they’re continual learners.

Nathan: Yeah, right.

Kenny: Which is, I think, a lesson for all of us in life. You can never stop learning.

Nathan: That's true.

Kenny: And you always have to be, you know, some of my friends call it the grind. But it’s—it's fun if you’re passionate about it. And you found something you were passionate about and you brought them together. You're great with your hands and you found an opportunity with putting yourself in front of a camera

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: and sharing something you’re passionate about, with an audience, and it seems to be working for you.

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: You’re growing that.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: And so, when you had this lull, what was the lesson learned from that and what did you do to to come out of that lull?

Nathan: Yeah, great, great question. Great, great, great question. So obviously at that point I was like, look—oh actually I was not like this—I said to my wife, “I'm struggling right now and I-I-I’ve been working really hard and it's not.” And you can work really hard but if you work wrong, you're not going to get anywhere. It doesn't matter, it doesn't necessarily matter, that you're working really hard because you know you could dig a pool with a spoon but it's going to take a really long time.

Kenny: That whole perfect practice

Nathan: Right

Kenny: mindset. Yeah. Alright.

Nathan: Yeah. Yeah, so uhm yeah, so she just—she—like I said she said here's some areas where you can improve and then she said you know why don't we, you know what, I can help you in that area. You know, she's a teacher. She's a little more organized than I-I was and she was like, let's do this every Sunday evening or Monday evening when you come home, we'll go through what needs to happen during the week and we'll schedule out days. So you know, Monday, Tuesday—

Kenny: The planner came out.

Nathan: That's right and that’s what—

Kenny: She had her student planner. She had her Nathan planner.

Nathan:— It’s that white board in the middle of our dining room on the wall. And you know, uh I have set days where I don't do anything, where I spend time with her and the baby. And I really enjoy those days, I need those days. But the other days, I just—I got to come home from work and continue working and she knows that. As long as she knows that, she's good with it, you know.

Kenny: Yeah. How far out are you planning things now?

Nathan: Big projects, I'm months ahead, but I dial them down into smaller segments. So if you were to look at some of my videos, I have part one, part two, part three because—and you know they say on YouTube don't do that, everybody wants it all at once. But I did something different and most of my subscribers will comment this, “you're the only person that breaks it down to every single step. They said a lot of people want to teach you, but they have—they cram it all in one and they skip steps.” I don't do that so I break it up and you know,

Kenny: Wow. How long are your videos? Like nine minutes, 16 minutes.

Nathan: They're all over the place. I try—so if you're coming to it from a monetary perspective, you can get more ads if it's over 12 minutes.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: Okay.

Kenny: So I-I just was scrolling through here, how to price your projects.

Nathan: Yes.

Kenny: So you actually charge people for this, huh?

Nathan: I do. Yeah, I really do.

Kenny: This is not a-a 501c3. It's not a, not for profit.

Nathan: Correct. Yeah.

Kenny: Even though you are paying the mortgage.

Nathan: Even though I do have a couple of those projects coming up soon so.

Kenny: Come on man, don’t-don't be jabbing at me like that.

Nathan: I'm not jabbing at you.

Kenny: Woah, I was feeling that like.

Nathan: No, that wasn't for you.

Kenny: That wasn’t directed at me? No? I was about to—got my pen.

Nathan: No I have—there’s a friend of mine that had a, a baby born with a disability. So I was gunna—

Kenny: Oh now I feel like a total dick wad.

Nathan: No, no, so this is—this is actually hasn't happened yet.

[booing]

Kenny: That’s booing me.

Nathan: No, I was gonna do like a fundraising thing for them. Just like guy over at mike’s, you know, Stone Coat Countertops did for me.

Kenny: You know, you were telling me about this guy off camera. So tell us a little bit about that story with him.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: And I do want to come back to the process.

Nathan: Sure yeah. So he owns Stone Coat Countertops in Oregon.

Kenny: Okay. What's his name?

Nathan: Uh, Mike Quist.

Kenny: Mike Quist

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: That’s a dude that sounds like should have on the show one day.

Nathan: I'm sure he’ll—

Kenny: Hook us up

Nathan: Yeah, I’ll—

Kenny: I’d love to talk to him

Nathan: I can—I can—I can hook you up.

Kenny: Mike, we're calling you.

Nathan: Yeah, yeah definitely. Hey Mike, check it—check out.

Kenny: West coast.

Nathan: Yeah west coast. Well yeah, so he—and I talked to him, just because I liked his product, which is stone countertops epoxy.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: And we got connected. He had me on his podcast. We got to talking on the phone a bunch and then he actually donated some money to our adoption fund. Quite a bit. I won't share how much but it pushed us over the edge so that we—we don't have a payment.

Kenny: And you’d never met this guy?

Nathan: Not at the time but I have, I have met him in person.

Kenny: Yeah, but at the time that you were sharing your story with him asking him questions?

Nathan: Nope. Just FaceTime. You know he saw my face, he saw my videos, that kind of thing but never in person.

Kenny: Wow.

Nathan: As a matter of fact, so my full-time job with the railroad, I travel a lot. Been to you know, all over the place, and I went to California and I called him up on my way there and I said, “Hey man, if I do have a couple of days off, can I drive up?” And he said, “yeah.” So I ended up finishing work like two days early three—three days early. And I called him and I said “you still in town?” He said, “yeah” and he put me up in a hotel for a couple of nights, paid for all my meals. I got to meet his family.

Kenny: Dude, we got to support this this dude.

Nathan: Yeah he's a great guy.

Kenny: What’s his—what’s his youtube?

Nathan: Stone Coat Countertops.

Kenny: Stone

Nathan: coat

Kenny: c-o-t. There it is.

Nathan: Yeah check him out. He’s—yeah there he is, Mike. That’s Mike right there.

Kenny: I'm gonna just go over here and subscribe to Mike’s, so I can start watching some of his stuff. What an awesome guy. Hey Mike we’re giving you a shout out. This is supposed to be a show for Nathan, but—

Nathan: Yeah, but, check him out too.

Kenny: Yeah for real.

Nathan: But now, this guy, being an entrepreneur. This, this dude made—he has a book out so I can say this, but he—yeah, so when I was reading through his book, he made a million dollars in the first year on youtube. Over a million dollars. Yeah.

Kenny: No kidding. Okay.

Nathan: But that is because he had a product to sell, right, so this, what I'm making from youtube is ad revenue, right?

Kenny: Right.

Nathan: And if—most of the guys the big leagues on YouTube, their ad revenue only is about two percent of their income, so that's what—that’s where I'm going. I want I, you know, I want to have a product. I want to get outside of just relying on ad revenue.

Kenny: So if you go back to, let's go back to your site. We've given you enough love here Stone Coat. No that's cool, I want to talk to you. Okay, awesome. Yeah Mike. But if you go back to that young kid, Nathan, at the nascar school. I think it was down in Charlotte, right?

Nathan: Yeah, North Carolina.

Kenny: I remember when you did that. Did you have any inclination, one that you would be doing—that you'd be married and have two kids or soon to be two kids.

Nathan: Yes soon to be.

Kenny: And now, at 20 what?

Nathan: How old am I now?

Kenny: You. Not your wife. Quit telling her age.

Nathan: I am 32 years old.

Kenny: You’re 30—Oh my god.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Man, that makes me an old fart.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Geez, okay. So, when you think about this, man, what's so cool is watching that—watching you grow up, watching what you've done with your business, and—and watching you learn, through the process of being an entrepreneur, when when you had this low, was there any moment where you were like crap I lost my audience, I've lost revenue, where you maybe wanted to give up?

Nathan: Yeah definitely, that thought definitely crossed my mind and Erin said, “no, heck no.” Yeah, you’re not giving up now.

Kenny: We got a mortgage to pay.

Nathan: Yeah, right. Well and it wasn't even just about that. She knows that I really enjoy it and things like that, and she wants to see me succeed, so—

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: She was like, help me push through.

Kenny: You know, I was asking you this a little bit off camera, when we were just getting ready for the show. And you know, I'd asked you, if you like chocolate chip cookies.

Nathan: Yes I do.

Kenny: And so, Kathleen and Sarah like, we're going to have their cookies on the show one day and promote that for them outside of the coffee business. Miller House Coffee right there. But Sarah and Kathleen, you know, your cousin and your aunt. Auntie.

Nathan: Who? Oh yeah, yeah.

Kenny: Kat. Kat Pee. Amazing cookie makers, but, when I've watched them make these cookies before, one of the ingredients is salt. Now I didn't know that until I was watching them make these cookies one day and I'm like that's really interesting, that in order for this cookie to taste one—so I tasted the batter

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: without the salt and it was a little just, like, blend like the flavor was just okay.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: But when you put salt in your mouth, I don’t want anybody to go home and try this today, but you can if you want. You just put a little salt in your mouth by itself it's a little underwhelming, you know, words that come to mind. Salty. Right?

Nathan: Yeah, that's a great one. Perfectly describes it.

Kenny: That's right. Go ahead, I'll do that myself. [booing] So, but what's amazing, is that when you add that to anything, the flavor comes alive. And I think that's resonant of failure.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: that in order, and you were talking about your friend who’s never really had to go through bad stuff in his life. And kind of had the silver platter. And we won't mention that guy and he's probably going to beat you up for—

Nathan: He probably, he probably won’t even know.

Kenny: “Man, I know you were talking about me.” But you know, you’ve-you've seen me through some life and through some failures that I've even experienced. And—and I am so thankful for those. I'm thankful that, that happened to me, in a weird sort of way, not that I would wish failure on anyone. But I think it's necessary for you to grow as an entrepreneur, for you to grow as a person, for your character

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: to form. And I think character forms in those times of hardship. And your—your cousin is down in Fort Benning, right now, getting his butt kicked. And he wants to be this, you know, in the special forces community. And we, you know, we're supporting him. We’re—we'll give him a shout out. Go get ‘em Izzy. Yeah but—

Nathan: He still goes by Izzy?

Kenny: Well with his daddy. You know he doesn't want anybody else calling him Izzy. So call him Izzy.

Nathan: Okay.

Kenny: But you know, he’s—he’s gone through a little period there man where he's had to have this first meeting with failure and it plays some freaking tricks on your mind. So when this happened to you and your youtube channel started waning, you were ready to quit.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: And so, you had the support team, you had Erin. But what inside of you, Erin obviously can cheerlead. Like Kathleen one day just told me “Kenny, pull up your big boy pants

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: and go get it.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: You know, are you a marine or not, right?” So I had that to fall back on and go oh

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: I can't give up. I gotta stay in the fight. What am I doing? Why am I feeling sorry for myself? People have been in much worse situations than I and that self-talk has to turn from the head trash of “oh I'm a failure.” “Oh I've screwed it up.” Oh you know this is this is my uh last day of my shining moment.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Um what were you saying to yourself when you were getting that pep talk from Erin? What had to happen with you in order for that to have that, that turn?

Nathan: Yeah well one big thing for me is, well, I have—I have a family to support. Right? So that, that's first of all.

Kenny: A little bit of motivation there.

Nathan: Yeah that's a little bit of motivation but, but also the thing that I'm trying to build is not—obviously we want financial freedom, right, but it's more time freedom for me. Because I want to have the ability to let's say, so my—my in-laws live in Detroit and Erin's family, other family, lives all the way in Salt Lake City. Right, so they're really far apart but I only have—I only have 14 days to do what I want to, throughout the year. Well I want to free up some time so that I could I could go visit or I could help them with their church plant or you know whatever. Yeah, you know.

Kenny: Time freedom, money freedom. Right.

Nathan: And—Right. Exactly. And so, when I, that’s what I aspire to do is obviously support my family but also give them a different opportunity than you know, obviously, the way that, you know, I grew up just working all the time and stuff like that.

Kenny: So you know, that's what I tell folks all the time about part of the little passion of KP's BlackBox and kind of our little brand that I came up with and thought through. Is, well, what do I want to talk about in this black box?—Is getting down into the the deep nitty gritty of how it is when bad things happen or when—what are your techniques or skills? And if you think about a black box and you think about when an airplane goes down, what's everybody want to go to? To get the information. Get the details. And what I tell folks all the times, there are two things that are important to you in life, money and oxygen.

Nathan: Right. Yeah.

Kenny: Try to live a day without either one of those and let me know how that works out for you.

Nathan: Exactly.

Kenny: I haven't had anybody yet say that it’s been a successful trip for them. So, you know, bringing that back to your piece and that, that money, that oxygen and that mindset. The mindset for you and, and having that shift and going hey I want to have this time freedom of money for you. There’s—there's a book, I'll plug a book here today. A guy named Jeff Olson wrote a book called, The Slight Edge, and we'll put that on the website here for folks because this is awesome as a young entrepreneur. The Slight Edge talks about this rule of ‘what's easy today becomes hard tomorrow’ and if you do what's hard today, if you do those things you don't want to do, those little grinds.

Nathan: Yes.

Kenny: “Oh man, I got to write my list.” “Oh I got to think through my day” or “I've got to create steps

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: to this video, in order for people to understand my process.” What's hard today becomes easy tomorrow.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: And so often, what happens to all of us, we'll go through phases of we're going “I just don’t want to effing do it anymore.” “I quit.” I tell my staff all the time, I quit or fire myself, about seven times a week. And then I have to go stand in the bathroom, talk to the guy in the mirror and it's a little awkward because people walk in and then I'm like “Oh I'm just washing my hands. I'm just cleaning up here. I'm not really talking to myself.” But there is this self-talk. You have to talk to that gray matter, the stuff between your ears, and you have to completely rinse the head trash out.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: So for you, you had a, you had a cheerleader in Erin. You had this motivation with a baby, a mortgage.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: So what were you doing personally? Are you making this list? Were you—what, what could you tell the audience of these are some steps that you took to get you back

Nathan: Oh, sure, okay

Kenny: to where you are now?

Nathan: Yeah so first of all, I've got to do research. Right. Well I do. Because it's YouTube and

Kenny: Yeah

Nathan: I'm still new on YouTube. I mean, I've been there for a couple years but

Kenny: It’s better than four

Nathan: Yeah, right. So I—I wanted to learn at that point. So now it's time for research. I need to learn, I need to change my game up a little bit and now not only am I growing a channel but I got to bring it up, back up from the depths. So I'm doing this 30 day challenge with another big YouTuber, learning from his experience, because he's been on here since 2006 or something really a long time.

Kenny: So you're finding a mentor. You’re finding somebody who's been there.

Nathan: Yep.

Kenny: Yeah you learn from those ahead of you. Not those behind you. You you can learn stuff from those behind you, these men are learning here in this page, they're learning from a young buck.

Nathan: Yeah. Right.

Kenny: But you’re bringing some wisdom to the table. You’re bringing another thought, another way, maybe a strategy that they haven't considered in woodworking.

Nathan: Right. You got to do it though.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: You can think about it all day long, every day, but if you don’t make—you don't take steps—

Kenny: Yeah the old Chinese proverb is the journey to a thousand miles begins with one step.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: So that, that's cool. You're just taking it step by step.

Nathan: right

Kenny: Along the way do you have these little, I call them chunks, do you chunk it down into achievable goals? Do you have like these baby step goals that you—that are achievable, right here in front of you. Can go man, I got this specific, it's measurable—I’ve got this attainable goal that's in front of me. I may have the time freedom, money freedom goal way out here.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Do you do that?

Nathan: Well I do that, in a little bit different way though, I really gage it on—on views. Right.

Kenny: Okay.

Nathan: Because views is money when it comes to youtube. And so I will—I will adjust, like right now, I'm working on upgrading my thumbnails. Right and so I—

Kenny: And thumbnails being that little picture?

Nathan: Yeah, yeah, because when you go on YouTube, the first thing someone looks at is a thumbnail. They don't read the title first. The title is the second thing that they look at.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: And then they make a decision. Am I going to click, am I going to click that video?

Kenny: Yeah, I'm going, I'm going back here.

Nathan: Yeah. If you go, yeah. Go, go to mine really quick. I'm going to show you.

Kenny: What do I charge?

Nathan: Yeah exactly.

Kenny: That's a thumbnail there.

Nathan: Yeah and people want to see—people want to see your face.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: They want to see something tell a story.

Kenny: That’s scary for me.

Nathan: They want to see something tell a part of a story and that this story here obviously is, you know, ‘how do you—how do you price a project?’ but then they have to click it to see the rest of the story okay. And so a small goal—

Kenny: Coaching a friend on how to build a river cove table. That's cool.

Nathan: Yeah, you know, and—and so the small goal I have, is I make a change, see how it produces. If it doesn’t produce, I analyze and then I adjust. So you know here's the plan, execute, analyze, adjust, that's the—those are the steps that I take.

Kenny: Thats awesome. Plan, execute, analyze, adjust.

Nathan: That's right. I can’t—I can't coin that. That’s Derral Eves. That's my mentor, that's his.

Kenny: I used to have this one that I trademarked decide, commit, execute.

Nathan: Okay, cool, yeah.

Kenny: I don’t, I don't use it much anymore. It's still mine. Don’t mess with it. I'll sell it to you.

Nathan: Okay. Cool.

Kenny: We'll talk about that after the show. So what's interesting to me is that you—you started with wood but when did the epoxy thing come in?

Nathan: Yeah so that came in just because, you know, you're searching through instagram for idea—well I'm searching through instagram for ideas and you see it happen. Every once in a while something would come up with epoxy and I was like I need to get into that. That's really cool.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: It didn’t—

Kenny: I am going to pull one up here and try to show the audience.

Nathan: It didn’t become like something like “I'm gonna make a business out of this” until I messed with it a few times.

Kenny: That’s your shop here, I'm assuming, right?

Nathan: Yeah, that's my wood shop.

Kenny: And if you're listening, I know it's kind of a little bit of a disadvantage here, so you know go to our site and check this out.

Nathan: Yeah this table right here is for a, a yacht.

Kenny: No kidding. So a guy commissioned you to build him a table

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: for the yacht. Now in the center of the table here, we're looking at some some darker colors, is that already epoxy in there? You've already poured it in?

Nathan: Yeah so if you see the—what I have my hand here, on the two pieces of wood on the outside. It actually starts out as one piece of wood and I cut it down the middle and then I flip the outside edges into the middle to give you that river shape and then I fill the gap with epoxy. Colored epoxy.

Kenny: Dude, I'm so excited for you to build my table. I know Kathleen's ahead of me—or who's going to get their table first me or Kathleen?

Nathan: Kathleen.

Kenny: Come on.

Nathan: Yeah, ladies first.

Kenny: Suck up. You're just sucking up

Nathan: Well we have stuff to pick out, the wood for yours.

Kenny: Really?

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: So I've got work? Okay great. We’ll talk about that after this. All right, so how long does it take? So is this table finished?

Nathan: No, no. This is probably halfway through. Once you—I mean—here. It's still, it takes a lot of sanding. Okay, so, sanding takes the most amount of time. If you notice, I speed it up, nobody wants to watch me stand for four hours.

Kenny: It’s like listening to me or watching my thumbnail they are like, oh my god.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: But you sped that up, and so, did you learn that early on? Like, “hey I probably shouldn't be painfully taking them through this” or did you do that?

Nathan: Well I did, so, the first time I thought to myself, they probably don't want to see any of the sanding. So I sped right through it, but, then people were asking “well what grit are you using?” “What type of sander are you using?”

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: And by the way, this—is you can monetize all of those questions, by the way.

Nathan: Okay.

Kenny: What are you gonna plug a sander

Nathan: Right

Kenny: or the sand paper.

Nathan: Exactly. Yeah, so, so a few hundred dollars every month from what I make from YouTube also comes from amazon. Because

Kenny: Yeah

Nathan: affiliate marketing, you know.

Kenny: Yes and then those back links, right?

Nathan: So, yep. If they can get through am—to amazon through my door, I get a—I get a commission.

Kenny: Commission from them.

Nathan: Exactly and so why not? It doesn't take me any more time.

Kenny: Jeff Bezos

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Everybody—and that dude's killing it, right? He's getting a little penny off everybody.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: What a, what a cool concept. You know what's cool about Jeff Bezos? You know who I'm talking about right?

Nathan: I think so. The founder?

Kenny: The founder of amazon. The guy started in San Francisco in his apartment, with his then wife, selling books and people thought he was crazy. Like “you’re—you're going to have this internet mall?”

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Yeah, Al Gore helped him out, right, to build it.

Nathan: I didn't know that.

Kenny: Yeah, yeah, well Al Gore created the internet. You didn't know that?

Nathan: No, I didn't know that.

Kenny: Yeah sorry. Sorry Vice President Gore, picking on you there. Yeah, that was his claim to fame, is that he was a internet creator. But

Nathan: Oh cool.

Kenny: We'll debate that on a different show.

Nathan: Yeah okay

Kenny: So, Bezos, man, had this idea of I—I want to make a little extra money. He was a bright guy. Had gone to business school, his wife was a really bright lady, but they wanted to make, you know, a little side hustle.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: and, and so, bringing that side hustle thought. And maybe your boss doesn't want to hear this, at the railroad contractor, but do you have a goal set?—for when you can tell your boss, “hey man, I love you but I—I want to go do this full time.”

Nathan: Yeah, I mean, that's a good question and that question right there is the scariest question. I'll just be flat out honest. like

Kenny: When he listens—listens to this, what are you going to tell him?

Nathan: So I mean, I’m—he already knows.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: We already talk and he, you know, he actually lets me use some of the space there.

Kenny: What a cool guy.

Nathan: Yeah dude. Guy's great. He's really—

Kenny: This is the dude, when I was looking at your video, he was in his Porsche

Nathan: Yes

Kenny: for your—your gender reveal, right?

Nathan: Yeah, exactly, yeah. He was doing a burnout in his Porsche.

Kenny: Not for your gender reveal, but yeah, your baby’s.

Nathan: Right, exactly, I don't reveal my gender in public very often.

Kenny: Oh god.

Nathan: Oh so—

Kenny: I'm probably going to get kicked off YouTube like immediately.

Nathan: Yeah, he's a great guy. Really cares about people and you know that’s pretty awesome but, yeah he—that is the scariest question because

Kenny: So let me preach to business owners real quick

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: on that.

Nathan: Sure.

Kenny: You know, Google does this thing with their employees, were they'll carve out a portion of their day for their employees to be able to be creators and to be you know innovators.

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: And I would encourage entrepreneurs to pay it forward. To teach other young people, you don't necessarily have to give away your secret recipe or give away your process, but like I encourage my team. I'm like look, you know, do what you do well and attach yourself to you know another person's dream until yours comes alive for you. You might learn something along the way like oh Zachy-poo over here on audio, is an amazing, really amazing musician.

Nathan: Is that his handle?

Kenny: Zachy-poo? Yeah. So it will be now. Yeah everyone in here. He's got a song coming out, Cupid. There you go Zach. That's it. I just—that’s 99 percent royalty charge there.

Nathan: Okay.

Kenny: So, but you know I'm gonna have him on the show soon.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Because I really do want to champion entrepreneurs. And you know, it's really easy to—it’s not really easy, to call people and say “hey come on my show I want talk to you about how successful you are.”

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: But I really do want to take ordinary people, who are doing extraordinary things and go “remember when they were on my show, when there were four subscribers” and I might be embellishing four right now. It could be like negative three, but

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: We're getting there, there’s hope, there’s a desire.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: But in, in working through this, this process, man is just championing people with where they are and helping them achieve where it is they want to be. That's a lot of fun and it's really great to see people grow. So man, props to your boss.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Props to people that you've had experience with, like your buddy at Stone

Nathan: Coat

Kenny: Coat

Nathan: Countertops

Kenny: Who has, man, championed you. That’s, that’s really cool. So and talking about how you put this process together. I'm sitting here watching you mix this epoxy.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Which I suck at. I think I almost lit my garage on fire a couple times with how hot this stuff got and how quick it, it turned into cement.

Nathan: Yeah. Yeah I mean, you'll really see this table pop after you see me pour that on there. Really. Yeah.

Kenny: So when you were working with this how many times did you screw up the first time, before you got it right? How many times you have to go back and sand it down.

Nathan: A lot, yeah.

Kenny: So I'm not alone in that? No? I screwed up my garage.

Nathan: Yeah. No. But I will say though, I had—when I was younger, Nascar Tech time.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: I did a lot of fiberglass work and so I did have a leg up.

Kenny: Right.

Nathan: Mixing resins together and things like that.

Kenny: Understanding that set time. How quickly it cures and

Nathan: Right

Kenny: Okay. So when you're doing this process, do you have a technique that you do that maybe other guys don’t do?—and I don't want you to give away your trade secrets or anything.

Nathan: No I do. I do. I i feel that if I give it away for free. The process.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: People will be more likely to buy my product.

Kenny: Wow.

Nathan: Okay so—

Kenny: I call that freemium. Free. Premium. Content. Right, yeah.

Nathan: Yeah exactly and so yeah—

Kenny: Whoah, look at that. That is cool. Ian pull that up man. So this is on where you've laid down…

Nathan: A thin coat. It's called a seal coat.

Kenny: Seal coat. Okay.

Nathan: This is sealing all the wood fibers and pores so that air bubbles don't show up in the final coat.

Kenny: All right but I—I guess we've skipped ahead here there was a process before this where the, the green portion of

Nathan: Right

Kenny: the epoxy went down.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: And how do you make the color what—what happens there?

Nathan: So if you go to my website you can get those colors GoodViewWoodworks.com but it's a—it’s a powder pigment. Yeah. You got to store.

Kenny: Go to your store. Yeah. All right.

Nathan: And you get—there’s got some merch there.

Kenny: Some swag.

Nathan: Yeah and then you can click epoxy.

Kenny: Did you bring me a t-shirt tonight?

Nathan: I did not, but I can.

Kenny: All right, I don't think we're gonna air the show.

Nathan: But here—here are the powder—here the powdered pigments. I have over 50 different colors.

Kenny: So this—you’ve—this is your brand?

Nathan: This is my brand.

Kenny: Wow.

Nathan: Yes.

Kenny: The p1000.

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: So you have these different pigments. Is that what it's called?

Nathan: Powdered pigments. Yeah, there's liquid dyes and pigments as well, but, I have—right now, I have powdered pigments.

Kenny: So this gives folks the opportunity to watch your video and then do it DIY, right? Do it.

Nathan: Exactly, yeah, exactly.

Kenny: That’s really cool man. Yeah, I wish I had known that before I did my my garage, so.

Nathan: You want to hear something crazy. How many—how much, how much material did you use for your floor?

Kenny: Oh god, it's embarrassing because I screwed up.

Nathan: Yeah even if you—if you didn't screw up, how much?

Kenny: Ian do you remember? How many you got? Well, now I've got a three bay garage. It was 790 square feet.

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: I want to say, I want to say it was like 20 something gallons.

Nathan: Yeah. Just in the middle of that river was 12 gallons of epoxy. Right there.

Kenny: You're kidding. On the river table?

Nathan: Yeah. Right see.

Kenny: How cool, we got back to that, right at that time.

Nathan: Yeah look at that color man.

Kenny: That is beautiful and so this is going to be in the dude's yacht right?

Nathan: Yeah it already is—it’s in. He's had it for a little while.

Kenny: Wow. Yeah since we're throwing out props to the dude’s yacht. We have to get a ride on the yacht for showing off his table.

Nathan: Yeah, I’m still waiting on that one too.

Kenny: Oh you are? Yeah all right. We'll give him a call. we'll harass him. So and so how did you get those those swirls and that light green, dark green? That's in the pigment?

Nathan: So, yeah, because it's a powder, right, it stays suspended.

Kenny: And do you remember what you used?

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Like if I'm on your site now, do you remember what that was? Putting you on the spot.

Nathan: Yeah, so those pigm—this is, that, when I made that table was before I had my own pigments.

Kenny: Before you made. Okay.

Nathan: And so, but, those colors I do remember. It was rainforest green metallic, copper metallic and crater lake blue.

Kenny: So you were explaining that process, the way that breaks up. What's happening and what's the chemistry?

Nathan: Well, well so the way you get the swirls, is once you pour the epoxy, obviously it's thin, right? It's a little bit thicker than water but it's still thin.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: The—the pigments will fall to the bottom, so you have to wait till it starts to set and starts to get thick and then you swirl it.

Kenny: That is absolutely gorgeous.

Nathan: And they stay suspended in the, in the, yeah basically.

Kenny: Wow. Okay so there's a, there's a technique to that. And I guess there's an art to even screwing it up?

Nathan: Oh yeah, I have messed up so many. Wasted a lot of money.

Kenny: Now on a table like this, so the way you were saying earlier in the show, how you saw the table put them back together.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: If you had this epoxy down in there, what happens when you mess that up? Do you—

Nathan: Oh if—if I were, yeah, if I were to mess up that? Yeah it's time to start over.

Kenny: Really? Like a whole new piece of wood or can you dig all that out grind it out or

Nathan: You could, but it would probably cost more to, for your time, to dig it out than it would be to buy the

Kenny: Wow

Nathan: stuff again. Now it comes in one and a half gallon kits and they're about a hundred and fifty dollars for a gallon so about a hundred bucks a gallon.

Kenny: Okay.

Nathan: 12 gallons of epoxy. The lumber itself was

Kenny: That was 12 dollars itself right? That's the math on that.

Nathan: Right. Exactly.

Kenny: Twelve hundred.

Nathan: And the slab of wood right there was 900 dollars. So you can—

Kenny: Wow, so just in materials alone 2100 bucks.

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: Wow, that is crazy. And how many hours— so man hours—that you have, like, in that table?

Nathan: About 35.

Kenny: Good lord. Wow. So it's a labor of love man.

Nathan: It is.

Kenny: Does that become cathartic for you, when you go out there and you’re you're working on a table? Do you get a time to kind of meditate and

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: is that like your bible study time?

Nathan: Well not my bible study time. That is a separate time, but

Kenny: Oh

Nathan: but yeah.

Kenny: Thanks for Jesus juking me there, right now.

Nathan: But yeah so sometimes I—but no, I—when I go out into the shop, I don't play any music. I have it dead quiet in there.

Kenny: Is this the dude’s yacht?

Nathan: Yeah that's his yacht. Yeah.

Kenny: Oh god, is that okay? Can we put that up? That was your thumbnail.

Nathan: That was the thumbnail. Right.

Kenny: We probably shouldn't put the guy's yacht up there, without—on our show. So I'll just pause it there with you doing your gang sign. There you go. But yeah, we were talking about you while you’re—you're working.

Nathan: Yeah, I don't listen to any music.

Kenny: Really?

Nathan: I don’t listen to any music because it’s a distraction. For me it's a distraction. A lot of people like to listen to it but while I’m—I just, I pray and I think about things and while I'm working and so yeah, I like to keep it quiet.

Kenny: You know what I do when I'm really wanting to get in the zone? I will go find clips of Mike Tyson

[Mike Tyson audio]

Kenny: Yeah it’s—it gets me in the game man.

Nathan: Yeah?

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: So, not really, but—

Nathan: Maybe a little dubstep?

Kenny: Dub-Yeah.

Nathan: Okay. Yeah.

Kenny: Yeah and throw in a little [air horns]. Then I'm all charged up and ready to roll. Take on the world. Any big projects coming up?

Nathan: Yeah I mean your project.

Kenny: Right. Yeah.

Nathan: The podcast table is a big project.

Kenny: So we’re going to do a ceremony and we'll make a little special podcast for when my table is done.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: We'll do a little show and you'll take us through the process and talk to us about it.

Nathan: Yeah for sure.

Kenny: That's cool. I'm really excited and then I’ll-I'll do some video at the house of the table you're making for Kathleen and we’ll—we’ll put that up on the site.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: Share that for folks. 2020 is a little—a little crazy right?

Nathan: Yes it is very crazy.

Kenny: And so we're halfway through the year now.

Nathan: mm-hmm

Kenny: What’s goals? Do you have any big goals that you've set for yourself for for 2020?

Nathan: Yes I do have big goals. We—by the end of 2020, I want to have all of my debt paid. Not my mortgage but everything besides my mortgage paid off. I think it's a good goal.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: Definitely a smart goal.

Kenny: Right. And you've been specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, time sensitive, and-and attacking that goal?

Nathan: I'm trying. Yes. Yeah I'm not perfect but yes definitely.

Kenny: Yeah I'll show you an exercise later with ‘try.' This—Kathleen is going to hate that I'm doing this to you. Have you ever done this?

Nathan: I think I've heard this from you.

Kenny: The try. Like try to pick up my pen.

Nathan: Right. You can't try to pick it up.

Kenny: You just either do or you don’t.

Nathan: Right exactly.

Kenny: And it drives me crazy because I'm like “oh” it means I'm either doing it or I'm not. Why are you looking funny over there Noah? Is that—you like that noise? Oh, I think I've done it to Zach before.

Nathan: Oh you have? Yeah.

Kenny: Yeah because when he's really screwing up here at the company, he's like, “I'm trying boss, I'm trying.” I'm like “really?”

Nathan: There is no try.

Kenny: Try to pick up this pen. You know?

Nathan: There's only do or do not. Right?

Kenny: Let's not talk about the things you did at 15 Zach. We'll do a show on that when we interview you. Yeah. So tell me, you know, what you are reading right now?

Nathan: Well, the bible. Definitely reading the bible.

Kenny: Jesus is juking me again.

Nathan: Yeah, no.

Kenny: That’s awesome, specifically in the bible, there's 66 books, right? Still?

Nathan: Right, there is 66. Exactly, unless you have the book of mormon but we don't count that one.

Kenny: Uh, let’s not hate on the mormon. l some great mormon friends but—

Nathan: Mormons are great. They're super nice people.

Kenny: Yeah. They really are. And you just spent a little time out there with Erin, right?

Nathan: I didn't but I have been out there, yeah. Whenever we go out there for family trips.

Kenny: Erin did—Erin had.

Nathan: Erin I was there for 10 months.

Kenny: Okay, gotcha. So you're reading the bible. What are you finding in terms from an entrepreneur, businessman, young entrepreneur?—

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: What can you share with the audience about what you've found in that book that has helped you be a better businessman?

Nathan: Well so okay first of all and throw out Jesus said the two greatest commandments are, do you know what—what he said?

Kenny: Please, go ahead.

Nathan: Love God.

Kenny: Love God.

Nathan: And love people. He said all of the law and commandments are—are combining those two. They can be summed up in those two and the way that I at put that in is I have a lot of people asking me questions, you know, I have thousands of comments.

Kenny: And you are going, “dang it, I don't want to talk to you."

Nathan: Well yeah, yeah, but you know I really do, I had that thought. Like you know, but I got to realize, you know, not only am I helping this person create their project and you know something they spent money on and things like that but

Kenny: Yeah

Nathan: you know I also, I'm teaching them but I'm also sharing that I'm a believer. This is how believers act, you know by-by loving these people as well. And—and you know that, that’s such a strong word, right? People don't like to say “I love you” or whatever but really that's what it is. When you treat somebody just like you want to treat yourself, you're loving that person and so the way that translate into my business, right, is I give away the information for free. I—I help them as much as I can. I answer all their questions and even if it’s like a—what—there’s, I say this, no such thing as a stupid question just stupid people won't ask them. Okay and —

Kenny: That’s good.

Nathan: Yeah and I constantly—I’ve answered the same question probably two million times. Okay.

Kenny: Right. And you got stupid interviewers, like your uncle, like “oh god please?”

Nathan: No. No those questions are good, but it’s like people don't watch the videos and then they'll ask me the question and I've said it eight times in the video.

Kenny: Yeah.

Nathan: And—but I have to remember this person could be supporting me in-in some sort of way.

Kenny: That’s a great attitude, because, I won't mention this guy but I—i follow him on on instagram. He's a NSW, or navy special warfare, guy. I love that community. Got a lot of friends and clients in that world but man he does not pity fools. If a guy asks him a question that another guy just asked—He’s got to work on his love. So you’re saying you—you have this empathy for people who will ask the question and the answers in the video.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: So if you're listening today, before you ask Nathan the question, he loves you, but watch it. Watch the video.

Nathan: Yeah, watch the video. But no but I-I set up this whole thing where people can ask me any question, not any question, anything pertaining to what’s going on.

Kenny: I was about to ask you a question.

Nathan: But they can—they can come on, as a matter of fact, every Tuesday I have a live stream called Shop Talk Tuesday and that's all it is. People come in—

Kenny: Shop talk.

Nathan: To talk shop. Yeah.

Kenny: That’s cool.

Nathan: That's a Q&A session where I can ask—they can ask questions and I answer them. And you'd be surprised they’re a lot—I met some guys never met them in person but that have donated to the adoption fund just from answering questions.

Kenny: Man, that's awesome.

Nathan: Right, so yeah, our adoption by the way, we never had to finance it. We paid cash for the entire thing.

Kenny: And that’s usually expensive right? Do you mind sharing what an adoption would—

Nathan: No, no. Forty thousand dollars.

Kenny: What?

Nathan: Forty thousand.

Kenny: I thought it was like ten.

Nathan: No. No.

Kenny: I'm way behind in this.

Nathan: Yeah. It after, after lawyer so we, we have—we’re about 37 in. 37 and we have to finish paying the lawyer and after that it comes out to be about 40 000.

Kenny: Wow and then you throw in some diapers.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: Then you throw in some college.

Nathan: Right, that’s the upfront cost. That's before, you know, it's all beforehand. So.

Kenny: Man, but Esther. What a beautiful little girl, dude.

Nathan: Super—Yeah. She's a great, great kid.

Kenny: She actually looked at me and smiled today. Which I don't get often from little babies.

Nathan: Yeah. You know she likes—yeah she likes people.

Kenny: She likes gorilla grizzly looking dudes?

Nathan: Yeah for sure, but yeah, so all pretty much 70 percent of that money came from I think—60 percent of that income came from people from youtube or people I haven't met.

Kenny: No kidding. Okay so there's still some good in this world, it's what you're telling us. There’s still some people who, who love and have generosity. That's

Nathan: Yeah

Kenny: That’s beautiful, man. That is awesome and, you know, I've got six minutes on this clock over here ticking down. You know, I don't think I told you this yet, but really proud of you.

Nathan: Yeah. Thanks man. I really appreciate it.

Kenny: It—it’s really cool to see you have this—this budding success in your business and so I wish nothing but the best to ya and hope you crush it. You know it’s, it's cool to see how you've gone through a little valley with it not that I wish that on you.

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: But that you’ve seen that, hey, when things go bad and when things aren't going your way, you got to stay in the fight. You got to stay in the game. And if you’re passionate about it and if you think about what's my purpose? And where is it that I want to go?

Nathan: Right.

Kenny: You—you will have success on the other side.

Nathan: That's right. I know you know, Dave Ramsey, right? He says, you know,

Kenny: Dave’s awesome.

Nathan: Right. “Live like no one else now, so you can live like no one else later.” I think about that all the time.

Kenny: Yeah. That's great. It's a great quote. He's going to send you a bill for that.

Nathan: I said, he said it. So yeah I didn’t take credit for it.

Kenny: Oh, okay that's how that works? See, this stuff I'm learning, on YouTube now. So as long as you're quoting them give them a little cred, right?

Nathan: That's right. It’s good.

Kenny: So there you go Dave.

Nathan: Did you notice my hat? Rubio Monocoat, no?

Kenny: What is that?

Nathan: So that's a finish that I use on my tables. They sent me their, their hat and stuff.

Kenny: Rubio

Nathan: Monocoat

Kenny: Dude, I am just throwing out the cred to everybody for you today.

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: So yeah, that's great though, I mean that's that's sharing the love because it takes it takes a team, right?

Nathan: mm-hmm. It sure does.

Kenny: To make the dream work.

Nathan: For—but that’s true man. It's really hard to do it all on your own. I would say it's almost impossible to do it all on your own.

Kenny: Oh man doing this and what I set up, you know, I was like “hey I want to do a video podcast.” My son-in-law is in the movie business. I got my personal assistant and para planner in our real business, Noah, helping us. Zach over here on audio and then the rest of the team from Sophia to Sarah, Kathleen, Lizzie. Lizzie's always bossing me around. That’s my little girl. The youngest

Nathan: She's awesome

Kenny: of the five. Yeah, she's the most awesome of the porters.

Nathan: She's awesome.

Kenny: Yeah. I’m going to interview her. I'm going to have her on here.

Nathan: You should.

Kenny: Yeah. She's gonna drop some some knowledge on everyone. But, yeah, it really does take a team and you know I think it's important that we, we share that in a community that you can't do it alone.

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: And it's really cool to see how you and Erin have teamed together and you've built this business that I-I hope you just knock the leather off the ball so to speak.

Nathan: Yeah.

Kenny: And I'm gonna have you back.

Nathan: Okay,

Kenny: Once the table's here. So hurry up.

Nathan: Okay.

Kenny: All right quit goofing off and taking those vacations.

Nathan: I’m trying to quit goofing off.

Kenny: Yeah. Yeah, you’re trying?

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: We’re gonna work on that.

Nathan: I'm not gonna quit goofing off.

Kenny: Okay. Good. Me neither. All right, man. It's the porter trait, right, just be a little dumb, a little stupid, but fun have fun doing it.

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: I learned it from your brother.

Nathan: Oh my brother?

Kenny: I'm mean your dad. My brother. Your brother in the lord.

Nathan: That's right.

Kenny: Hey, okay that was dumb. We will end it on dumb.

Nathan: Okay.

Kenny: But it was really cool having you here today.

Nathan: Yeah, it was awesome.

Kenny: Our studio audience would love to give you a little [air horns] and a little, where is it out on here?

Nathan: Where is that at?

Kenny: There okay. [applause] Yeah they're a little slow on the up take.

Nathan: Like come on guys.

Kenny: All right! Come on, put the sign up.

Nathan: Isn’t this good content?

Kenny: Yeah this is awesome. Yeah so they can find you on goodviewwoodworks.com

Nathan: Yep.

Kenny: And your youtube channel is the exact same?

Nathan: Yep Good ViewWoodworks, I'm the only one that pops up when you type it in and they can email me directly on my website, as well.

Kenny: And what is that?

Nathan: There's a little link on my website.

Kenny: On the website there’s email?

Nathan: Yes, you just click it.

Kenny: Now you don't want to tell people what your—your email is?

Nathan: Not my personal one. No.

Kenny: Okay, okay. All right. We won't do that.

Nathan: I don’t—I don’t want to have to scroll through all those.

Kenny: All right man. Hey cool thanks for coming out today. I'm looking forward to seeing my podcast table.

Nathan: Yeah me too.

Kenny: All right dude, love you man.

Nathan: Love you too.

Kenny + Nathan: All right, Bye.